Confused about why NOT to farm.

[Angie]

Hey guys, I've currently been playing the game for about 2 weeks now, and am now level 80 starting to go def. Before now, I've been using up my spirit points whenever I get them, on same level players on the battle list. When I see someone who gives me 20k and 5 exp per hit, I keep hitting them until either I run out of sp or they run out of hp.

The result of this is pretty obvious, I get called farmer, get dled, but I just farm those people back 100 times over because they made themselves available to me on my comments/news feed for a long time, whereas if they just left it be, I would have out leveled them within the day.

So my question is why is it farming, when even if I don't hit that person down to below 27 hp, somebody else will, and in result getting the money/exp off them regardless. If i leave my health above 27 for more than 5 mins, I'm guaranteed someone will hit me down to below 27.

I don't understand why people are crying about farming, when the battle list is there for you to battle people. Battling somebody weaker is still a battle. It just means you're stronger than them, hence winning the money/exp.

I'm going def now because I don't understand whats the point of going attack anymore, when you only generate hate from the crybabies you hit.

[Moviewatcher78]

I agree with you 100%. I'm a "farmer" too, but I'm playing within the rules of the game as set by Storm8. I have almost 800 DLs as a result and since I'm so much attack focused, I lose most of the DLs. Even with that, I have awesome stats.

I started the game on May 4 and I'm now level 120 with 17386 wins / 2775 losses.

I personally don't care about DLs and each one gets me closer to unlocking the 'Scratching Post' achievements which in turn gives me more skill points.

[Supervolcano]

Originally Posted by Moviewatcher78

I personally don't care about DLs and each one gets me closer to unlocking the 'Scratching Post' achievements which in turn gives me more skill points.

The "Scratching Post" achievement does not give skill points.

http://www.immoforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2639

[GoddessOverlord]

Just like in real life, there is behavior that is considered unacceptable or "bullying" over and above being impolite. Singling someone out for repeated attacks without good reason has always been considered negative, just as being greedy is. If you're boxing or fighting someone, once you win the fight, you stop, you don't continue to pummel them. When the quarterback goes down and the play is over, you don't continue to tackle him. You can't hit the goalie after the play is over without repercussions. When at a buffet, one doesn't take more than ones' share of food without being considered ill mannered. So in the gaming world, those who choose to repeatedly single one person out, whether to bully or being greedy, are frowned upon and the term used is "farmer".

[Moviewatcher78]

Originally Posted by GoddessOverlord

Just like in real life, there is behavior that is considered unacceptable or "bullying" over and above being impolite. Singling someone out for repeated attacks without good reason has always been considered negative, just as being greedy is. If you're boxing or fighting someone, once you win the fight, you stop, you don't continue to pummel them. When the quarterback goes down and the play is over, you don't continue to tackle him. You can't hit the goalie after the play is over without repercussions. When at a buffet, one doesn't take more than ones' share of food without being considered ill mannered. So in the gaming world, those who choose to repeatedly single one person out, whether to bully or being greedy, are frowned upon and the term used is "farmer".

Yes, but in my case, I don't target a specific person. I attack everyone on the attack list all day. Since I can attack 30x per hour (assuming 2 min per spirit point refill) and actively log into my games at least once / hr during the day, I basically attack 400+ times per day. Despite the fact there are probably hundreds of thousands of players in this game, it seems the same 20-30 always appear on my list at each level I pass through. If my strategy is a strong offense, it's not uncommon that I'm going to possibly hit someone 5-10 times per day at least. I do not keep a list of people I've attacked, I just attack whoever has the pet element (fire, earth, water air) that I'm going for that round. I usualy mix my pets up and then attack based on my first pet having the advantage.

That being said, if someone DLs me or if I get into a 'war' with someone, I will farm the heck out of them until they give in and add my code or I can't find them anymore.

I also offer a disclaimer on my page which states that I will not attack my team and provides my code so that anyone can add me if they don't want to be attacked.

[Moviewatcher78]

Originally Posted by Supervolcano

The "Scratching Post" achievement does not give skill points.

http://www.immoforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2639

LOL, didn't even realize that. Oh well, the Scratching Post achievement is still an achievement none the less.

[Angie]

Just in reply to the bullying example.. In boxing matches and footy games, beating the same player/team up doesn't allow you to improve at your game in any way. Whereas in pets live, as long as the person you're attacking gives you decent money and exp, I don't see why not keep attacking. It isn't being greedy, it's about being smart. If a person doesn't log into the game for a day, a person that is online can farm them all day, but you do realise that it's because person 2 is more dedicated. Someone that is more dedicated to something always ends up exceling at it. Honestly, if someone doesn't want to get farmed, they should just keep their health under 27 whenever they can. It's their own fault if they don't.

I use the same strategy as Moviewatcher78, arranging my pets to target select elements. Every 2 or 3 levels, I end up remembering every single person that I've attacked. So honestly, unless you don't play everyday, you'll eventually end up "farming" somebody.

[Cold Face]

Originally Posted by Moviewatcher78

Yes, but in my case, I don't target a specific person. I attack everyone on the attack list all day. Since I can attack 30x per hour (assuming 2 min per spirit point refill) and actively log into my games at least once / hr during the day, I basically attack 400+ times per day. Despite the fact there are probably hundreds of thousands of players in this game, it seems the same 20-30 always appear on my list at each level I pass through. If my strategy is a strong offense, it's not uncommon that I'm going to possibly hit someone 5-10 times per day at least. I do not keep a list of people I've attacked, I just attack whoever has the pet element (fire, earth, water air) that I'm going for that round. I usualy mix my pets up and then attack based on my first pet having the advantage.

That being said, if someone DLs me or if I get into a 'war' with someone, I will farm the heck out of them until they give in and add my code or I can't find them anymore.

I also offer a disclaimer on my page which states that I will not attack my team and provides my code so that anyone can add me if they don't want to be attacked.

Wolf Rabid?

[Moviewatcher78]

Originally Posted by Cold Face

Wolf Rabid?

Close, but yes, that's me. Rabid Wolf.

I have seen you in game haven't I?

[red23baby]

Originally Posted by GoddessOverlord

Just like in real life, there is behavior that is considered unacceptable or "bullying" over and above being impolite. Singling someone out for repeated attacks without good reason has always been considered negative, just as being greedy is. If you're boxing or fighting someone, once you win the fight, you stop, you don't continue to pummel them. When the quarterback goes down and the play is over, you don't continue to tackle him. You can't hit the goalie after the play is over without repercussions. When at a buffet, one doesn't take more than ones' share of food without being considered ill mannered. So in the gaming world, those who choose to repeatedly single one person out, whether to bully or being greedy, are frowned upon and the term used is "farmer".

Lol. Reading posts like this always makes me laugh.

IT'S A GAME, as long as you don't break storm8's rules you can do whatever you want. Plus, let's look at one of your "examples".


Say during a fight a boxer discovers the opponent has a weak defense against a right hook. That boxer will exploit that WEAKNESS until he wins, by repeatedly ATTACKING using a right hook. I'm pretty sure that after/during the fight NO-ONE would call this boxer a bully or frown upon him, would they? I'm also sure that if they were ever to fight again the boxer would again try the same tactic if his opponent hadn't learnt from his previous mistakes.

Part of your examples were correct though, a boxer wouldn't continue to hit someone once they were down...........wait a minute................that's EXACTLY what happens in the game! Attack someone until they go below 27 health and you can attack no more!


In simple terms.

You get farmed if your weak, don't DL the farmer, use your money to make yourself stronger and certainly do not whine about the fact that someone else is playing the game better than you are.


Let me just point out that I do not farm......................yet

[firepants]

Originally Posted by red23baby

IT'S A GAME, as long as you don't break storm8's rules you can do whatever you want.

In simple terms.

You get farmed if your weak, don't DL the farmer, use your money to make yourself stronger and certainly do not whine about the fact that someone else is playing the game better than you are.

In the online world where personal accountability is non-existent, social conventions regarding what is "right" or "wrong" behavior simply have no meaning. Player behavior devolves into "might makes right", as the quoted posted illustrates.

So, we're left to impose our own sense of morality which often fails because your opponent does not operate with the same moral compass. Regardless of it "being just a game", it does demonstrate an inherent societal axiom - rules are only for those who will follow them.

I say continue to farm. Do so because you know you don't have to look your opponent in the eye. Crush the unwary and inattentive. Because there will always be someone bigger, faster, and more attentive than you ready to squash you like a bug the moment your back is turned.

Personally, I look upon those who play in this manner with a mix of contempt and pity. It takes a pretty small mind to "game" the system just because they can. It makes me wonder if they'd behave the same way in real life situations where accountability is not immediately present.

The missing component here is integrity. If you have none in the game, chances are good that you have little or none in real life. If you can live with that, then more power to you. I can't.

[ajax1964]

Early on I realized that you can't really camp in this game. The only way to make real money is attack. So I have the best attack animals, i can't defend myself but I still have 3 to 1 record, and maxxed out on everything. That being said my personal rule is no more than 3 hits a turn. I try to keep track of who I've hit, but this game isn't exactly the focus of my day, on top of the fact that I play 5 other ones. I haven't been hit listed too often so I guess I'm doing ok. This game in particular is incredibly boring without attacking, I do it here far more than the other games where my points are all 2 to 1 defense vs offense.

[whiteange]

Hi all,
First, sorry for my english that it's not my first language.
Here is my opinion. Farm and Camp are complementary. The farm is because the camp exists. The farm takes the money that the product side, as in life where the state takes the money that the worker produces. Imagine if everyone camp, where would the interest of the game? There would be no attack, so no need to improve his skills, his pets, his habitat.
Don't forget that this game is not a strategy game.

I farm, and has no income like a true farmer, and when I find a player who gives me at least 5000, I attack him until his health drops below 27 orthat I have no more Spirits, because the farmer has no source of income.

I understand people who hate when they suffered 6-7 attacks or more from the same person. These persons are not happy ? Then use your money to make yourself stronger. That's all ...

It's the game :
Champion Win 2 Battles Win 10 Battles Win 20 Battles Win 100 Battles Win 250 Battles Win 500 Battles Win 1500 Battles Win 2500 Battles
(How could you achieve this rank without attacking ?)



I am a farmer and I will be always a farmer.

[whiteange]

I forgot one thing about camp and farm. Like all games there are two groups :
->Player who play often (as me : 1 time every 30 minutes)
->Player who play less

So when you want play often, what is the best strategy ? Farm
So when you want play less, what is the best strategy ? Camp

Fam can not exist without camp and camp can not exist whithout farm.

[jorgenric]

One of the things I like about pets live is the balance the developers have managed to build in.

To me, the balancing act of skillfully managing the strengths and weaknesses of your build IS the game.

I have low health to minimize the number of times I can be attacked and help prevent large losses. My spirit is also low to land my hp below 27 after a round of attacks.

It may sound heartless, but those that leave themselves open to losing 60K+ from a single opponent should develop some strategy to minimize the losses. The game has the means available to do so.

A concession I will make is that the inability to re-distribute stat points in game is a real shame. It is very easy to put dozens of hours into an account before it becomes apparent that either your strategy is flawed or it doesn't suit your play style.

Inevitably as you gain levels the competition is going to get tougher and flaws in your approach are going to become more apparent. Because there is little to do in some cases but restart, repeated large losses can be very discouraging.

To those few that I have managed to take large amounts of cash from, I do feel for you. That said, there would be no "battle again" button if it was not meant to be used.

I have never Dl'd anyone. When others manage to take significant amounts from me I recognize that it is because I allowed them to. This is simply part of the game and a major part at that.

[ayc711]

Originally Posted by jorgenric

A concession I will make is that the inability to re-distribute stat points in game is a real shame. It is very easy to put dozens of hours into an account before it becomes apparent that either your strategy is flawed or it doesn't suit your play style.

I like the fact you can't redistribute your skill points.

There's a saying in poker... If after the first twenty minutes, you don't know who the sucker at the table is, it's you.

If after playing this game for a few weeks and you can't tell you're a weak player, that's your fault.

[Masiyian]

Hi guys, I've been playing storm8 games for around 3-4 weeks right now. I don't think i'm even close to master a strategy, or that even exists a right one.
I've to say i'm actually lvl 14 with a 42 team and 173/31 win/lose stats. I'm maxed out with one of each type of pets.
As for now I only attack when considering leveling up (i'm more a camping type). I farm and also get farmed.
And here goes my advise, or else what i do (which works for me): whenever i get farmed, i don't battle back, i just invite that player (that's obviously stronger than me to join forces. I usually get added and the farming ends.